I'm I'm curious about We always talk about professional development and you always answer the teacher level. Like I know in my district, I used to be a K8 principal and the schools that are always the early adopters, the innovators are the schools where the principals are also early adopters and early innovators, right? Like right now is the time to spend all your money spending deadline ends next week and then they're planning for to spend their money next year.

Right? If the principal doesn't know any AI, any app, any of that, they're going to be like, "I'm going to put it on yard supervisor hours." Like it's the weirdest thing. You're like, "No, you have the subscription from the former principal. Why are you not looking into the dashboard of usage of all that?" So I don't think as much as we say we don't create PDs for teachers, there's zero in the admin level. So if you're talking to the people who are deciding where to spend their money, how to put more opportunities for their teachers to go to Q, to attend all these, you know, learning platforms,

then you're stuck with the old ways, right? Whatever the principal knows and see it in a different side now cuz I'm the one who approves the POs for all the apps and [clears throat] the software that's coming through our district and I'm like, "Oh my god, did you talk to your principal?" Right? So I'm I'm doing that but I'm also doing the tech teacher leaders that are in schools, right? So you have a tech Can you talk to my principal, please? Like this is so frustrating. Like five teachers are using this and the principal We have to pay it. No, no, no, no, cuz the principal does not understand what it is.

Right? So where is that opportunity? Like this is my second time talking to people in the field. Like a month ago I was in a venture capitalist office in San Francisco and they invited teachers and they're like, "What? We can talk to you now?" Like there's not a whole lot of this so I do know that you guys have your pool of teachers that you talk to for feedback. I don't think we invite principals in those things. What you're saying really reinforces and you know, Vicky who runs our external relations and you know, Jason's on her team and she's been advocating for this for years and makes sense she comes out of kind of school systems and I think this has been a missing gap. Hopefully So

yeah, we've had the teacher stuff and then we've had the district central office stuff but she's been saying principals school leaders are where the action is and yet and you're taking another like, you know, and that we are now putting that on the road map to do school level, principal level tooling and things but I think that's a good point. Like we should think through professional development. I guess my question, how does that work in a district cuz people are used to Yeah, how does professional development work for say principals? Like people used to think of them that way for teachers. reveal my age but there was AB 75 grant. And it was run through the county

offices of education. You would apply to become an official provider of principal training. Principal Training Academy had three modules. Third module was technology. And then once you were approved provider, you would essentially shop your services around the districts say, "We can provide professional development to you, all of your principals." But you were competing against other agencies that also had it. So it was a competitive environment which keep kept everybody sharp. Um so that would be one model that has been done and that's a long time ago now.

Okay. Early odds. So there's there is there are This is a thing. There are mechanisms but maybe it's just not done as consistently. Well, there's of course associations, ACSA Cali, there's, you know, CoSN, CoSN California. There's a number of places where that professional development was offered but often when there's budget shortfall, where do they cut first? And but then the professional development on like this particular tool, how to use it, you know. Um so we've I mean, at least in my district, I've gone creative on things. I always like, "Do you want a lunch? And we're going vendors and they're going to talk about Yes, lunch and learn. Um and so you're

right like with the budget constraints, like who's who's working Yeah. I call it my Chan Family Foundation. Like I, you know, like that's That's how it works because I do believe that there's space for that and there's not a whole lot of opportunities unless you go to the county office or like everybody's competing. Like right now technology's at the bottom of the district's priority and I was like just talking to somebody and I was like, "How is that a thing, right?" What's at the top of the list?