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where do we start? Let's start with Angela Raina and that video to be sat whether you are pro-reform, pro the tries, pro the liberal democrats, pro the Greens, don't ring this show. That was an open lie to school children about Farage and reform. I find it astonishing. Uh not that politicians lie, that people like that are prepared to use something like X and don't seem to understand the backlash they're going to get. Nigel Evans. Yeah, it's a complete lie. uh what Angela Raina was saying about the views of Nigel Faraj and reform. That's number one. Number two, using a school. Uh that was off limits as I uh learned um when I was a um a candidate fighting elections.
You did not go onto schools to be able to do anything. I don't care that it seems to me as if there were like four carefully selected youngsters there and maybe they'd all signed disclaimers to say, you know, that they true card carrying members of the Labour Party, but you should never be able to use school premises to promote any politics, never mind a lie. It's a blatant lie. I mean, I couldn't agree more. Ray from Havill in Suffukk says I think Raina can't get any lower than going into a school and lying to young future vocers to me it says [snorts] just how deceitful and dishonest she is. But that's the problem both of you isn't it that we have in politics today. I mean you've got a situation with what 36
hours 24 hours whatever it is to go until these local elections and suddenly everybody's popping their head up. We've got we've got Tory leader Kami Badnock Sky reporting yesterday Naj refusing to rule out local reform deals as an opinion poll overnight says the most ex Tory and Labour voters will never ever go back to the fold. Uh yeah but these are early days and people still are feeling angry um even two years on from the last general election about what Rishi Sunnak failed to deliver. Uh the reality is with Kimmy though, she's streets ahead of her party as far as popularity is concerned. She's got a video, I don't know if you've seen it, Jeremy, where somebody was heckling her, some brilliant Palestinian, she's got almost two
million views on that. She's basically got two million views because she told the person basically, "These are my views. If you don't like it, so be it." No, no, I get that. And you know, and I'd bring Charlie in. Please do jump in. I think she's probably the right person at the wrong time. I do think she's cut through, but I think the apathy, the anger towards the Tory party isn't going to dissipate anytime soon. Yeah. No, I think Nigel's right. The brand of the Conservative party still is uh unable to recover where she is as an authentic politician. You can't fault her. I mean, that was some of the
criticisms that she had at the early days that she was too brash, that she was too combative, but actually that's just her. And if you need to get things done, if you need to pull your party that's down in the doldrums back up uh by its pants, then she's the one uh probably to do that. It's interesting as well though n we need to I want to play this clip because for her to even talk or intimate about local reform deals is [snorts] very different rhetoric than either her or Farage have spoken about in the last 24 months. This is chem yesterday pee last year we had lots of elections where reform won many councils. How many of them are being run with conservatives?
Zero. So we have proof we are willing to work with people who will help deliver conservative policy. I [snorts] mean that is a that is quite a difference. N you'd have to admit and maybe and I'll set to you what I've said all morning. Um I know we're years down the line but surely anybody who's not left of center or mad uh would implore if we find ourselves in the same position in 24 months you know reform 25 to 18 whatever we couldn't have another five years of this some cohort of the left. Surely that the heads would have to be banged together wouldn't they? Well, the mathematics is of course uh that you um the this government with its huge majority in parliament got elected on 33.7% of the vote.
Uh tomorrow uh you're going to see a ton of counselors elected on 20 something% of the vote simply because we're in multi-party politics now. That is the reality what Kem is addressing and there again she's absolutely straight as a die. She doesn't want to do any deals with reform because reform's number one ambition from what I can see is to obliterate the Tory party. That's what Nigel Farage is all about. But the reality is in local authorities where let's say that um if it takes uh reform and the Tories working together because combined together they got more than 50% of the local authority seats then that would be practically the right thing to do. But my argument is that exact Lex
line and I'm not asking for people to look into the abyss of the future. There might well be that argument in two plus years time because of what we've been through Charlie. I mean I'm with Nigel but that could show itself couldn't it? Yeah it could. I mean look no one will know the outcome until obviously you know the all the votes have been cast but you know and it will depend uh if you I mean if we can talk about local areas for example Essex you know without going into candidates or particular policies but Essex which is the home stomping ground of the Tory party it's you know Kemmy Bnut's backyard it's got James Cleverly it's got Pretty Patel you know they are big hitting Tory sitting
MPs in Essics that could as a traditional home counties Tory council for years and years that could go reformed in total without a coalition or without any kind of agreement. So just depending on the seismic shift will depend on whether actually it requires those two parties to work together in other areas. N got to bring you one of the reasons if I can just add on to what Charlie just said why Kem said that we're not doing any deals with reform in a number of local authority areas is because reform have already got a majority. They don't need the let's bring it on to my favorite subject. We're covering all parties as we have to in this position and quite rally too. Zack Palansky's poll ratings
have tumbled 14 points in a week. Thank God. The Daily Mail who's absolutely they've been after him and good fair play to them reports that 30 Green candidates, you won't name them, 30 Green candidates probed over anti-semitism. Green Party MP Caroline Lucas condemns anti-semitic statements to me. And I don't have you two's uh your two's sort of political um experience, but this guy seems to be hoovering up any disenchanted leftwing I don't know couscous eating weed smoking I mean I'm sorry that's just how I see it. They strike me the people that are gravitating towards the Greens as the people that jump on the back of any latest argument. Just stop oil. You know, we're middle class, but we don't.
I don't know. The inauthenticity of Zack Palansky is being laid bare. Is it not Nigel Evans? Uh yeah. Uh he got himself into real trouble criticizing the Met when they were taking out somebody. Well, a terrorist, let's be fair. somebody stabbed two people and he rather unwisely tweeted uh about that and then had to apologize and then he came out with some comment that you know the Jewish people do find it certain parts of Britain dangerous places to live in and Palansk's contribution to it was well maybe that is a perception well it now appears that maybe perception is exactly the world in which he lives in a perception that he works for the a spokesman for the Red Cross a perception
uh that he is a spokesperson for some PR make votes count. I mean perception is all about what this guy is about. A perception that um he was a member of the National Council of Hypnotherapists when he wasn't a full member. I mean all of these things is absolutely amazing and they were riding high in the polls at one stage but my goodness me you scratch that surface Jeremy and it starts to fall away. The reality as to why he's doing so well is because um he is not one of the traditional main parties and they're the ones that are getting clobbered at the moment. But isn't isn't it also true both to say the corbanistas, the leftwing I don't want to use the word widows, but they are and I'm going to repeat
something I said yesterday, right? They're all gravitating to they do they are gravitating towards him and that's fine. We're going to be open and balanced and all that sort of stuff. But the reality is I if you strip this bear and you say this man would like to legalize heroin, this man would like to open our borders and give anybody who comes here illegally a house. This man would like to leave NATO, have no defense whatsoever, and get on a commercial flight to Russia and shake apparently Vladimir Putin by the hand because he's a human being and say, "Let's all live in a happy world." I'm not being pro or anything. I'm just laying it out there. That is ludicrous, Charlie Roelly, and people need to know that.
Totally. And that's why, you know, it's absolutely right, as we talked about earlier on, that the press are doing an amazing job to actually bring all of this uh to light. But if you think for a second, if you think, if you're sitting at home, gosh, this country is a joke. This current government hasn't delivered or if you think the two-party system under the country has been in decline for 30 years. You know what? I don't care anymore. You could be anti-establishment. You can be I'm going to vote for a joke. If you think this country is a joke and it's, you know, irretrievable, irreoverable, uh, then you're going to vote for somebody like Palansky, that'll be a laugh. Why not?
You, that's what people might be thinking. I don't think that is the case, though. I think it's more sinister than that. As it happens, I think he's targeting probably about 30 constituencies where there is a probably a heavily uh, uh, populated Muslim population that are probably pro Gaza, pro Palestine, uh, that don't think that there's an issue with anti-semitism. And those are the constituencies that he's probably going after, a bit like some of the communities in Gordon and Denton. You'd agree with that, N wouldn't you? You've just held up the Daily Mail showing that um the Green Party are investigating 30 of their own candidates for anti-semitism. Right. Let's be fair.
The Greens have had to find scrabble around and get thousands of people to stand in wards all over the country. Their vetting system, however good it is, people are going to get through. They're going to be some Looney Tunes amongst that those 4,000 candidates. The real problem for the Greens now is that one of the Looney Tunes appears to be the person leading the party. That is the bleeding reality of it. And reform, let's be honest, let's balance it out. They had problems with selection early on, a new party and trying to find and yes, of course, there will be. You're absolutely right to make the point. Any new party is going to have problems in terms of how they
select and the sorts of people that come through. But for me, I think we have to look at the man if you're going to put yourself out there, which I think is really interesting. I think he thought he was immune. I thought Trevor Phillips did a great job. I think the male have done a great job. I thought that the lady at the weekend as well, Kunberg, did a great job. He's going to have to face it out. Can I ask you about quickly um you know far more about this um Star on every day is under the Kosh. Um borrowing cost soaring to a 28year high, D-Day for Star tomorrow and a Trojan horse idea that Andy Burnham is going to sail into the middle of Westminster, be given a seat and save the country. But all I hear is
some people from Manchester who say this isn't true. This isn't This man isn't the messiah. He's he's no different. What are your thoughts, Knight? Well, no. He's incredibly popular uh in Manchester. There's no two ways about it. So is Pep Guardiola. No, I know Andy personally, and I rather like him, right? And he clearly a danger to Star. But Star stopped him from standing in the Gorton Denton bi-election just to see the Greens win that particular one. Uh and now it appears from the Sunday papers that the NEC have said, well actually if Andy now wants to give it another go, they wouldn't stand in his way. This is real
danger territory for Kia Starmmer. And looking at some of the comments from people um on opinion polls over the weekend, I love the one which uh described or compared Stara to a wet wipe. Now if I was the manufacturer of wet wipes, I'd be out suing uh the person who said that quite frankly appalling. I mean it has got so bad that the countless councils and people have without naming them obviously we're doing the job correctly have said don't come anywhere bloody one near us during this election just don't I mean you're a toxic brand can you see Andy Burnham uh taking on sta leading the Labour party being our next prime minister who's never been elected by the British people man yeah well he has been elected before Andy Burnham don't forget he was a
member of parliament and then he went to become mayor of Manchester but it will now take somebody uh a sitting member of parliament to stand to one side and there's speculation that it might be an MP called Peter Dow because he's refusing to comment when anybody asks him about it. Uh so is he dowed in the dumps about it? Well done. But the reality is that if he resigned and the NC aren't going to stand in his way. I mean we all know that Starmer is toast. We don't need to wait until the uh results tomorrow to find out how brown that toast is going to be. Uh we've already got West Streeting and Angela Raina letting know that they've got the 81 signatures that they need of Labour MPs to be able to uh
to launch a campaign against him. Of course, both of those um candidates are sitting in the House of Commons. They won't want to see Andy Burnham come in. Uh so they might want to strike before Burnham gets in. That's the other thing, right? Yeah. They'll have to strike while the iron is hot. If they leave it until the Labour Party conference in October, then that will give um the opportunity for Burnham to come in at some bi-election that will be created and that's going to be a real problem for those two. But no, it's like um you know, it's like um you've got your aunt Mildred dying in bed upstairs and
all the relatives downstairs are eyeing that clock to see who's going to inherit. Well, the reality is there's only going to be one inheritor and whether it's going to be Angela Raina, West Streeting, Andy Burnham, they've just got to make their minds up. My children will do that as I'm lying on my deathbed. The hordes of bloody children I've got, who's going to get the money? None of you have spent it all on wine, women, and so on. Nigel, just to finish, we love having you on today. We discover that Rain has given up vaping. Charlie, what is it you've given up before you go? You've given up hope in your kitchen being fitted in time.
It's a middle class problem, isn't it? I know it has taken a bit longer than I'd hoped for, but I He said, "I don't really care cuz I like going out for dinner." Yes, I do like the dinner out. Um uh which I'm still waiting for the invitation. Nigel, what have you given up? Finishing that bloody book. What's happening? No, no, that's coming in August. I've given up uh wafer thin mints. Uh absolutely. I've decided to make the sacrifice and I've given them up if wafer thin mints.
Yeah, wafer thin mints after eights as they were called. Oh, why? Uh, I can't stand them. Right. Um, can I just say something? My producer, the wonderful Christian always says, "I don't know how your brain works." It reminds me only of that story years ago that one should never pick up a mint from a restaurant. Do you know why 63% of them are covered in urine? Did you know that? Because people would I'm being Mark agrees with me. You go to the toilet and then you pick up a mint. So, forget wafer thin mints peeps. That's the message from the Jeremy car broker this morning. Don't pick up a mint if you go to an Italian restaurant or an Indian restaurant because they will be covered in wee.
I heard that about your nuts at the bar. You know when I heard that about nuts at the bar, you know, you know. No, for those of you free, I wouldn't go for Can I tell you both what Christians just said? He's just said, "I'm giving up on this bloody show. I'm going to the toilet. It's getting better by the minute." In posh Indian restaurants, they have a spoon in the nuts. Charlie, you've got to up your game. I'm not. I'm sorry. Spooning nuts. I'm out of here. Nigel Evans Charlie. Thank you very much.
