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walk me through uh one of the issues that was just an absolute it caused so many people to become independents and that is men competing in women's sports. Okay, transgenders. Where are you at there? I understand at the beginning everybody's like, well, you know what is this? Some people that are maybe Democrats or maybe even independents saying what's the argument? We should let them be able to transition and now we're having men compete against women. That's the part where it completely stops. Where are you at with that? So I can tell you I think about this as a parent, right? And I think about this as uh someone with a you know a 12-year-old son, 14-year-old
daughter. Um I want them to get from sports the same thing that I got from sports where it gave me a chance to be a part of a team. It gave me a chance to learn great life lessons like from sports I learned how to win and how to lose and it gave me a chance to compete fairly. And I think we have to always show a sense of humanity in where we are. We want to make sure that we're protecting all of our kids. We want to make sure we're doing that. But if the competition becomes unfair, I think that's where you have to be able to draw a line. And I think there's ways you can do it. I think there's, you know, know one thing I know is that our local jurisdictions are actually the ones who are
responsible for this. And actually, I think that's a good thing. Like I don't think that the president or a governor should be getting involved in something that is actually a decision of a local jurisdiction. and I trust local jurisdictions to be able to figure this out. However, I also know when I think about it from the perspective of my daughter, I want her to be safe and I want her to be able to compete fairly. And I think that both of those two things can live simultaneously where you can provide measurements for people and all young people to get the same benefits in sports that we all got. But also know I do not want my child to be have it be either unfair or unsafe.
You haven't answered it yet, sir. Oh, no. I there's no men competing in women's. Yeah. No, I don't think that's something that we should allow. Okay. Now, I do I again it's local jurisdictions that and I think it should be Leave it to them, not a federal. So, you don't want it to be a federal thing deciding whether So, do you think puberty blockers given to kids under the age of 18 should be a federal decision? It should be a state or local decision. Well, all of them right now are local decisions. Okay. All of right now are local decisions. But I think that just like many things when it comes to our kids,
parental involvement does matter. Like I want if for my 14-year-old and my 12-year-old, I want to be involved in a decision-m process for especially for something that has lasting implications on their life. Okay. Question. We're both parents. I got four kids, 14, 12, nine, and four. Yeah. Your son comes in saying he wants to transition. What do you do? Um well, first I mean if it's if you know it's my son, so I love him regardless, right? Um and he's always going to have my undying love. That's that's me, right? Um I want to make sure that I'm involved in understanding uh where he is, how he's feeling, the
way he's feeling, why he thinks it's important. if this is a journey that he wants to go down, um I want him to always be comfortable in his own skin and I want him to always know that he has a partner in me to help him along that journey. Would you advise him to wait till he's 18? I if this is how he is feeling and I feel like I'm I'm closely tied to him, I'm not going to advise him on something that he feels is at 14 years old. Wentz. No, I understand it. But what I'm saying is the most important thing for me is I want him to feel safe in his own skin, safe in his own decision-m, but also know that at 14 years old, I want to be involved inside of that process as well. I'm not going to condemn him nor castigate him. I'm
not going to kick him out of the house. I'm not going to do anything that's going to hurt him, but I just want to make sure that I'm involved. I fully believe, by the way, just uh my crew came in here, okay? And uh I was coming from the other building. I came on this side. They said, "Pat, I got to tell you something." What's that? I like him a lot. That's all they're telling me. I freaking like this guy a lot right there. He's looking, waving, going like this. Look at these guys. I like him a lot. I don't know. I like him a lot. So, I something tells me and you know, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think it would happen to your son because of the way you've raised him. So that I
don't even think that's a thought that you have. But maybe let me rephrase the question on what some people have a hard time with. Yeah. Okay. So I used to live in Glendel, California. I went to Glendel High School. So I lived in California most of my life. If you ask me what freeways I know on the like the back of my hand, it's anything in LA. I know all of them. 4052 170 1345 N. You name them, I know. Okay. If all of a sudden you've raised your kids in a certain way and say you put them in a Christian private school till fifth grade, your son has never brought anything up. In fifth grade, your wife gets fired and you were relying on that $72,000 a year income that she had. She hasn't found a job to replace that
income. You guys talk and you say, "Babe, I think we got to do public school." You put your kids in public school and all of a sudden you notice 6 months, 12 months, your son is behaving in a weird way and then he has support with a teacher. They build a relationship and then you find out that the teacher maybe is part of the LGBTQ community is encouraging your son who's never since he was in fifth grade ever brought this up now because of a couple friends and a teacher. He is thinking about taking pre puberty blockers to go through the transition. As a parent, how informed would you like to be when that teacher is talking to your kid and is persuading them? And what position would you have to say, "Wait a minute,
I've never seen any signs like this. Why are you going through it right now?" Would you then say, "Son, if you do want to get on pub puberty blockers and transition under the age of 18, I'll support you." Or would you say, "No, we got to kind of get to the bottom of this." Well, first, um, I don't care whether we're talking about computer blockers or whether we're talking about what type of math you're learning. I want to be involved. You know what I like I'm an involved parent. Uh my wife is an involved parent and I just think it's very important for parents to be involved in everything that happens with their with their child. And that's why I think that anything that happens in a school should be a you know a joint
process between the teachers and the parents always and no matter what. So parents should know what's happening. Teachers can't keep a secret away from parents and not informing them informing them what conversations they're having. I think parents have to be involved. I know, but I'm saying there's a lot of parents that maybe don't have the luxuries that you and I have who don't make the money that maybe we make and you know, you've done well for yourself. You're taking care of your finances over the years. You were in a military. You give me the vibe of somebody that's done made good decisions. You were an investment banker. You've done well for yourself.
Yeah. But some of the people that don't have that luxury, you know, it's it's I here's what I think is going to happen. The reason why I'm asking this question, when I talked to Stephen A, Stephen A is like, "Nope, full stop. I got a daughter. Men, no. Not gonna happen." I think 2028 election is going to be the most free agency election. And I actually think whatever Kali's got you right now is not the right number. I think if anybody's a betting man right now and is willing to put a little bit on Khi to say, "Hey, who I think has a potential of doing something that could have a plus minus, I would support uh you know, if you got like you go to Kentucky Derby, I like to go to Kentucky Derby a lot and you'll have three
horses on the final race. If you want to vote and you know, support somebody on the Democratic ticket, I think I would put you as a long shot because I don't think it's a long shot. I really don't. I really believe in your abilities to go through this next phase. Charming, likable military background. You flirted with being a Republican back in the days. Condisa Rice, maybe you were Republican back in the days and you know whether you want to talk about that or not, the market kind of sees that you were. So it's out there. So it's good for that district you were talking about 77%. But I do believe if you want the independent votes and that position is a little bit vanilla, I think it'll
backfire versus it being black and white. Because I do think independents are willing to support a guy like you. But that's an area that just loses husband and wives. Mom and dads are like, "Dude, come on guys, just give me a real answer." No, but honestly, it is my real answer to say that I think we always have to make sure the parents have involvement in this, that parents have a say in this. These things cannot be decided without any form of you know adult uh you know with any form of but if a parent wants to go through it you know and pub puberty blockers are available. You're saying it's okay for parents to try to give the kids puberty blockers as long as parents approve it.
Uh that decision becomes on the parents. Listen I think that um it's not a choice that I would make. It's not a choice that you would make. It's not a choice that I would make. Um, you know, I think that it is a very personal decision between these families and um and honestly my uh for the kids that are going through this, I mean honestly my heart breaks for him because that is a weight um and something that's become so politicized that I just think it's so deeply unfair to that child. I agree, you know. Um I agree. But um but I think this is something that they uh this is a decision that the child cannot make on their own.
When you were in high school um do you remember how many gay friends you had in high school? Do you remember how many gay guys were in high school that we knew about publicly openly? Cuz I remember myself. I was in a school with 4,000 kids. It's a good question. You know, you know it's interesting. Um I don't say their names. I don't want you. Mary Jackson was a you know No, but you know, but you know what's interesting? Yeah. when I went to military school because I got sent to military school when I was young. That was a uh that was an offense that could get you kicked out of school.
I remember that. So, because remember don't ask don't that was pre when I first went I think don't ask don't tell was passed um a few years after I started military school. Um no in fact yes don't ask don't tell was I think year two of my military school. So actually that was a dismissible offense before. So you know I actually didn't really get to know other people who were like openly other teenagers who were openly gay until probably when I was like 15 16 years old and that wasn't people I went to school with. That wasn't even the people you went to school with.
No. Was it a smaller school? I think there were about 900 cadets. Okay. In my school. Got it. So I actually remember a couple guys in the military that were gay. One of the guy was and ended up marrying a girl and had two kids. But I'm like, "Hey, I remember, you know, he DM' me on Facebook 15 years ago." Hey, you won't believe it. I'm married with two kids. I'm like, "No shit." All right, great. Good for you. But we laughed about it because uh it was good conversation. He was actually a good soldier. Yeah. But in high school, Wes, if I say three, that's a big number.
Yeah. And it was like nobody cared. But one of the concerns, and I'll move on. I don't want to stay on this story for too long. One of the concerns is that the percentage Bill Maher talked about this. Have you do you have the chart Rob where it shows uh you know all of a sudden generations you and I are from a different generation. So for me I sympathize with this generation because I wonder how much more exposure they're getting that some of the kids that maybe are having a hard time getting a boyfriend or a girlfriend like maybe I'm not maybe I'm this maybe I'm that and they're kind of going through a
direction and then that kind of leads to a complete different thing. If I was an enemy who hates America, say there's an enemy who hates America. And we know when we look at our current stats right now, our birth rate in America is 1.58. Lowest we've had in God knows how many years ever gener. So we need to be at 2.1. Y now we're at 1.58. If the LGBTQ community increases, birth rate goes down. So now we are introducing all these birth controls in there. Then we have the LGBTQ. Then we have, you know, making life expensive. Then you have affordability. Then you have, you know, some of the programming that's happening with the kids. I mean, this is generation. If you think about a
silent generation, only 8% is gay. Baby boomer 2.6, Gen X 4.2, millennials 10 and a half, Gen Z 20.8, and then next generation 41.6. I mean, so this part becomes where parents, serious parents are saying, I feel there's guy, people that are uh Democrats who will never vote Republican, but they're sitting there saying, "I'm considering going to the other side because they're pro-choice, but they're not for this." And so, a part of it becomes they're going through it because maybe kids are being pushed to think in a certain way, and I think it's unfair to the kids. You know, Poland, I had a guy here whose name is Dominic Tarjinski and he said something to me in Poland.
Lowest rape in all of EU, lowest unemployment. Okay, they're doing great with economy. And out of all the stats you look at, if in school, if you do sexual education to minors in school, you go to prison. Poland, they leave that to parents. They're like, "Hey, Wes Patrick, it's your job to teach your kids on sexual orientation, not teachers. If I leave it to the teachers to teach me, they're imposing maybe some of their opinions that's not factual." So, I kind of have some thoughts there where I'm like, "That's an interesting idea to have that." But anyways, before we'll I'll give you the final thoughts on this before we No. And this is why I think everything about education to include
all this, it cannot happen in the absence of parents. it just can like parents have to be involved in what's happening inside of classrooms. Now, now especially when it comes to things like the LGBTQ community. Um I also believe that you know that we're not talking about something that for our friends this is a choice. Um, I'll give you a an example. Um, where, you know, I actually got involved in the don't ask don't tell lifting. And it wasn't because it was like it was a personal issue for me, but it was because I found out that one of my good friends uh was exited from the military because of being because he had the audacity of telling, you know, something that was his truth. And I remember him
talking about kind of the impact it had on his family and all this kind of stuff. And he said something that was really important to me where he said, "Do you think I would choose to have my family um discard me?" Um he was one of the best leaders that I'd known in the military um and still a dear friend. He was the kind of leader that I would put my children under his command because he's that good, right? And but the army was at that point telling him that but you know what because you're gay, we don't have a place for you. 99 98 uh no this was um God when was this? This must have been like 20 okay 2010 or something like that I think or by the way they got rid of uh don't ask
don't tell in 2011 if I'm not mistaken. 2011 right 2011. So that's that's what it must have been because I got very involved. I was working with a group called Iraq Afghanistan Veterans of America who are doing a lot of work on this issue. Um the reason that I say that is because I don't think that this is something that people are choosing to go. I think that if this is I think a percentage I agree. I think a percentage I fully agree. Yeah. and you know, but I also think a bigger percentage I don't agree because so I grew up in a single family home. Parents got a divorce to each other twice. I hung out with kids from Burbank Tess from TVR. I don't know if Tunerville was a gang in LA
and we had all these other guys and I got because I had bad grades and I was a troublemaker. They put me in this uh basketball league called the New Century City Basketball Association, something like that in Echo Park. If you know LA Echo Park in the '9s, horrible. 1994 Echo Park. Horrible. So I'm in a group with kids who are from Black Diamonds, from Blood, from MS-13, Mara Salvatucha, from Tunerville, from you name it. We're all together playing basketball. Everybody's a One day there's a shooting. My dad is there. My dad just turned 84 last two weeks ago. He's there. An old friend of mine, Adrian, if he sees this, he'll crack up because we were hiding in the bathroom because they're shooting
everywhere. And the helicopter comes. Couple guys, the guy that was a best scoreer was with Bloods. He got arrested, went to prison. Um, so guess what? What happened to me? I was never a gangster. I wasn't a kid in Iran that was going to be a gangster, a tough guy. And then all of a sudden, I start like listening to Arbio Pasi. I start listening to all this gangster rap. And I start hanging out with them. And all of a sudden, I'm like, you know what? Maybe I am. and that influence if I don't join the army my life goes a very different direction so to me I do agree with you know and I'm not a scientist to sit here and say what happens with the chromosomes and all this I'm not playing that card
because that's not my space but I do believe a bigger percentage of it is a pattern of kids who get confused that go through it I don't think this will be the topic of discussion for election 2028 like meaning you know whether you're born whether you're not I don't think that's the issue I think the issue will be puberty blockers, transgender, I think men and women's sports. I think that's going to be there and I think the Democratic candidate, you will be on the stage when you're debating if that day comes and they're going to ask that question and how that's answered will be very interesting to see whether you're going to get the independent voters or not cuz I think you're going to need the independent
voters. My opinion, look what Trump did. Trump knew he needed the independent voters. When they asked him about LGBTQ, what did he say? That's all. We've already had that discussion. I don't even need to answer this. Just moved on. So, a Republican took that position. Yeah. And he moved on and it helped them. I think on a Democratic side, uh, you're going to want the reasonable parents to support you and it's going to be, "Look, I don't want any boys competing in women's sports." My opinion, when we set out to create a shoe that blends comfort, function, and luxury, we had the choice to make it fast. We had the choice to make it cheap. We chose neither. Instead, we chose Tuscano. We
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