And so we've discussed fuel, fertilizer, um you know, jet fuel as well, but then there's other things as well, aren't there? Like, you know, supplies for building a lot of the piping. Uh we're hearing the HDP pellets and um you know, the plastics that you buy uh when you go to get your milk and so forth. And there's a you know, nothing official, but just talks on do we need to go back to bottled milk, for example. But those sorts of things. Um what do we need to be, you know, mindful of in terms of what we could miss out on and what could be an emergency? But we had a similar situation with co when suddenly everything became a matter of national sovereignty and essential services was

probably why we should all make it here right that's almost certainly the wrong answer. Um the reason some of those materials you mentioned have come up recently Jandy is because natural gas not only is used to make fertilizers and explosives as I explained but it's also one of the key feed stocks into the making of many plastics and so things like plastic milk bottles for example is a perfect is a perfect case I've already heard that um plastic pipes which are a very much significant part of plumbing um and agriculture um have gone up dramatically in cost not just because the ones we make in Australia have got more expensive because of the feed stock but also though because where

the where they are made in other parts of the world where we import those materials they also get their natural gas um from Middle East. So these supply chains are complicated. We do need to think very carefully of the ones where Australia certainly would have a significant comparative advantage because we have critical minerals and we do have the natural gas to be able to work in these areas for quite some time yet. At the same time, there'll be things where it we are most likely better off being a trader and buying and selling. And that's that's an that's really an issue for the government and industry to think through very carefully what are going to be the future made in Australia. That's the policy name that

the government's got. What are the industries that would qualify under that banner and what are the things where we actually should be quite happy to import from overseas. um have reciprocal partnerships of the sort the prime minister is talking about and those sorts of things. And just finally um I mean you look at what we're dealing with now with the with the crisis, but then for farmers for example, they're looking at potentially drier than average conditions with um our senior meteorologist is suggesting it could be an 80 to 90% chance of El Nino forming in winter and moving into spring. So a double whammy, so to speak, in regards to that. What are your concerns about the future of our food security

keeping in mind of course we export so much? Yeah. Look, I think the other side that is highlighting also is that um there's another uh element to this whole climate change story because um farmers at the front end the absolute front of the whole consequences of climate change. They're the ones who see it, right? And so this fuel crisis and the exposure our farming community has to climate change again puts that on a very pointed position. um as does the fertilizer question that's connected to growing our food. And so there's going to be a need to continue to think about how we uh make progress on addressing climate change in Australia and overseas, but also identifying things where we can do

more. And I think the issue of um this is a big country and we tend to have increasing numbers of floods and fires. That's not going to go away because climate change isn't going to go away. Now, this can sound like it's all too much, right? But the reality here is that we need to be thinking carefully, read through this stuff. some of the stuff the government's already done on future made in Australia and some of the stuff the government's already been doing in relation to these supply chains is the right direction. I think this crisis and the sort of things you've just mentioned with our farmers also says we've really got to do more of

it probably faster and that also means with a lot more strategic focus on what really is important for this country and keep it going as opposed to what we've spoken about before and perhaps not let other things get in the way. Busy life, isn't it? Tony Wood, thank you so much. Really appreciate your analysis as always.